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#1 Robse Ponte

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Posted 04 January 2021 - 03:43 PM

Hello,

I am working with Nanocad 5 and have several problems with Dimensions:

1. Setting different Preferences: It is not possible to change Prefixes etc. with text permanently. See attached video. This also does not work with Arrowheads etc. Is there any different aproach to change the values? maybe via a text file etc? Switching between Dimension Styles also does not work properly.

2. Is there a setting to make the fit tolerance visible to a precision of 1µm. Presetting is 10µm and production is complaining about the missing digit.

Thank you and best regards

#2 Robse Ponte

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Posted 04 January 2021 - 03:46 PM

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#3 Robse Ponte

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Posted 04 January 2021 - 03:47 PM

Now it should work

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#4 pguimber

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 07:49 AM

Ok,
fine for video !
a dwg file with just a object and dimension...

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 08:15 AM

Hello,
And what precision in :
1 - Drawing Units ?
2 - Dimension Styles ?

I dont use this dimension styles .... a file for example, please :)

#6 Robse Ponte

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 10:12 AM

Hello and thank you for your fast response.


I am talking about the precision in the fitting tolerance. On the picture you see 30H8 +0.03 but it needs to be +0.033. How I get the last digit of the Fit displayed?

Herby also an example of the dimension style. I am getting crazy with this random behavior, when changing values or arrows. Something here is totally wrong.

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#7 pguimber

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 11:07 AM

Ok ... be quiet !
and with this file, that's better ?

#8 Robse Ponte

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 11:46 AM

Hello pguimber,

Much better. How did you do this with 5 digits? This is really good! Tolerance Precision is greyed out so what and where do i have to change the precision settings for the fit?

Dimension style is still not able to change the it to my wanted result. One arrow and one dot, 90 degrees text and no leader. How can i remove the leader? It seems that whatever i change neither in the inspector nor in the dimension style manager it is not affected. Very strange behavior. Is it just in my case on this computer or do you have the same problem?

I tried to upload the example file, it is too big. hereby the link: https://www.dropbox....xample.dwg?dl=0


Thank you and best regards

Robert

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#9 pguimber

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 01:17 PM

Hello,
I took a blank file, set the units to 5 decimal places, made a rectangle of 30.006x20 (for example) and Set a dimension and edit with a double click ...

After :
Text 90° and arrow1 Dot small / arrow2 Closed filled with the Inspector
No leader in Dimension styles <Style overrides> , Fit , Text placement = Over dimension line, without leader

Copy Object Properties don't paste all properties. Dot, arrows2, leader but not text rotation and fits of dimension. Remake first setting and copy it (vertical horizontal dimensions)

#10 Robse Ponte

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 02:05 PM

Hello again,

Maybe i am too stupid,

could you explain me where you set the units to five digits?

When I use

-Format units to 0.0000
-Primary precision 0.0000

nothing happens (see attached pictures)

Tolerance precision is greyed out

What am I missing?


Second thing is also not clear for me. I can't use dimension styles? when i set "over dimension line, without leader" into the dimension style, the button is still pressed when making a new measurement. (see picture 3). The good thing there is that you can switch measurement styles from one to another. Imagine 500 measurements per Drawing. I do not want to change it via Inspector. I want to have permanent settings in a dimension style. Is this not possible?

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Posted 05 January 2021 - 03:22 PM

View PostRobse Ponte, on 05 January 2021 - 02:05 PM, said:

Hello again,
Maybe i am too stupid,
could you explain me where you set the units to five digits?

No you but me ! i'm forget to explain... Five digits in menu Formats - Units (Drawing units).
in principle, there is the precision provided by the NC5.0 "engine" and there is the precision used by the object.
I put more precision in Format-Units to have some "under the hood" (french expression).
But...

View PostRobse Ponte, on 05 January 2021 - 02:05 PM, said:

What am I missing?

So, i don't know.... like you i make with what i have !... à cheval donné je ne regarde (pas trop) la dentition ! (when I am given a horse I do not look at the teeth).
I try to find solutions but for workflows it is true that reliable functions are preferable.

Even for dimensions styles... i don't understand why this bad working...

Sorry ...only this file for the moment !

#12 Robse Ponte

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Posted 06 January 2021 - 10:15 AM

Hello again,

I totally understand your point of view . The program is free and maybe i have to adjust my workflow to the things that work and not to what i expect that should work and i am used to.

To sum this up: Dimension Style settings are unfortunately not affected / at least most of them to the measurement that is created. That is annoying but it is like it is. I thought it is maybe just my computer or some settings that needs to be adjusted and therefore i asked for advice in the forum.

You wrote that you changed the behavior with the settings: Five digits in menu Formats - Units (Drawing units).

Did you see the first picture of my previos post. I tried this already with your suggested setting, but it did not work. If i change it, i still have just three digits. You gave me a file that has five. What i want is four digits and i am not able to achieve this. I am really courios if this could be achieved? There must be a secret setting somewhere, because we have different results. But where?

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Posted 06 January 2021 - 11:26 AM

Hello,
yes i see the first picture and even on my pc no change (3 or 6 digits ! :huh:) .

now what or how to do? on my workstation ...:
Unit format = 0.0000 but is it useful !?

I make a rectangle of 5.0002x3.0006 to make two dimensions (vertical and horizontal)
I put two sides
I double click and I choose the fit option that valid (fit table Hole H7).
I get 5.0002 H7 (+0.0120 - 0 'underscore')
I modify the number of decimal places of the dimension.
I get 5 H7 (+0.0120 - 0 'underscore')

All that remains is to modify the orientation of the text and its leader
Once these adjustments are made I would tend to make copies of these dimensions since the styles do not work.

What to do next I do not see; why 2 or 5 digits !?
In the inspector - Alternate Unit and Tolerances.
You can validate Alt Enabled and Tolerance display.
This makes properties accessible ...

I managed to modify the number of digits but without understanding which parameter is the correct one!

#14 pguimber

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Posted 06 January 2021 - 11:36 AM

A 'copy object properties' allows to pass a tolerance +0.0120 to +0.012 ! :blink:
Reverse it's possible !

Now what property ? :rolleyes:

#15 pguimber

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Posted 06 January 2021 - 01:50 PM

Well it seems we can do the job ... almost!

- Create dimension styles with 2, 3, 4, 5 digits in Fit, Primary units, Tolerances.
- Set dimensions and activate their Fit dimensions (double click).

The digits take the number of the current Style.
When a dimension has its Fit enabled, it can receive the Fit from another dimension by copying properties.

The other settings are those already mentioned.

See the file.

#16 Robse Ponte

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Posted 07 January 2021 - 12:29 AM

DimStyle -> Tolerances -> precision does the trick!

Thank you for your help!

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Posted 07 January 2021 - 06:26 AM

OK ! The question is solved ?

best regards

#18 Robse Ponte

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Posted 07 January 2021 - 06:13 PM

Yes! I adjusted the dimstyles in AutoCAD + Tolerance Setting is solved. Thank you very much

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Posted 08 January 2021 - 06:04 AM

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